tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21829866.post7047719939271967357..comments2023-08-20T07:06:14.115-04:00Comments on Thurber's Thoughts: Turns out, Erie Street Market did NOT make a profitMaggiehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12677808307727487766noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21829866.post-88200105950154738792008-07-31T12:24:00.000-04:002008-07-31T12:24:00.000-04:00I am no longer a "nay-sayer" when it comes to Tole...I am no longer a "nay-sayer" when it comes to Toledo! I have become a "told-ya-so'er"!<BR/><BR/>I have no doubt that Carty will make this all go away.<BR/><BR/>He will hold a news conference and approach the podium and display a shiney object...and Toledoans will promptly forget the whole scandal.-Sepphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11187463448901564093noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21829866.post-69682092963400560082008-07-31T11:40:00.000-04:002008-07-31T11:40:00.000-04:00Tim - there is usually a threshhold for 'informal'...Tim - there is usually a threshhold for 'informal' bids versus 'formal' ones. I don't know the city's minimum but the county's was $25,000. An informal bid means explaining the work and calling three known providers of the service and getting a price estimate. It also means that the mayor could be selective in who got called and who ended up with the contract.<BR/><BR/>GraphicsGuy - not being entirely forthcoming with information is not a violation of the state's ethics law...<BR/><BR/>Jay - council is between a rock and hard place. The contract with Libbey Glass requires the city to keep the ESM open...but that doesn't mean they can't have better control over the funding and expenditures...They had their opportunity to hold up the money until they got a budget and business plan - but they blew it ...Maggiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12677808307727487766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21829866.post-62687346719053551792008-07-31T11:12:00.000-04:002008-07-31T11:12:00.000-04:00Okay, so Collins has trouble getting the documents...Okay, so Collins has trouble getting the documents he's requested, then when the documents are handed over, they're incorrect?<BR/><BR/>Carty hides some expenditures, creates a P&L that's nowhere near accurate, and 'brushes off' the discrepancies?<BR/><BR/>The taxpayers have been lied to by Carty? Is this NOT the first time?<BR/><BR/>Do I want a someone that is a <B>proven</B> liar to run my city? Does anyone? <BR/><BR/>Is this not an ethics violation? Could this be just cause to remove him from office?<BR/><BR/>I think in the interest of the city, WE should be finding a way to remove Carty from office!GraphicsGuyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09382561922046230269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21829866.post-50391884601249875542008-07-31T10:31:00.000-04:002008-07-31T10:31:00.000-04:00Well, this answers the question I asked a couple o...Well, this answers the question I asked a couple of days ago:<BR/><BR/><I>The question everyone should be asking is whether or not the city omits certain details in order to deliberately deceive city council and the taxpayers? Or has the city left out those expenses you mentioned due to incompetence?</I><BR/><BR/>It's both deception <I>and</I> imcompetence. Since this trickery was discovered, it reveals the mayor's incompetence.<BR/><BR/>It will be interesting to see whether or not city council will cut off funding for the ESM because they were lied to. <BR/><BR/>Now is the time for those on council who always talk about "holding feet to the fire", let's see if it's just a game of words. That will depend on what council will do next.Jay Otthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08170850586783653546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21829866.post-31206907571632050382008-07-31T08:57:00.000-04:002008-07-31T08:57:00.000-04:00Maggie,Another quick thought...I wonder if these c...Maggie,<BR/><BR/>Another quick thought...<BR/><BR/>I wonder if these contracts were bid out, and if they were performed with union labor?Timothy W Higginshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17118861693269565715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21829866.post-80374505594082815732008-07-31T08:17:00.000-04:002008-07-31T08:17:00.000-04:00Sad to say that it appears as though our mayor thi...Sad to say that it appears as though our mayor thinks that if it's not owned, operated and dictated by the City of Toledo then the cause/event is not worth having.<BR/><BR/>I seem to remember that in his campaign promises Carty cheered for more jobs, more local business, better services, etc. All the standard political BS to sway a vote. But none of those promises have come to fruition. None.<BR/><BR/>Instead we have become (the city in general) a greedy, deceptive, conniving, dishonest, subversive, divisive, consistently inconsistent, disheartened, disillusioned, defeated, shop-worn and depressed city. All things unhealthy for professional development and growth, and very unhealthy for us, the taxpayers, that will bear the brunt of this mayor's tyranny for years to come.<BR/><BR/>The other day I was chatting with a person from Sandusky at a luncheon. They asked where I was from. When I said Toledo ... the response was, "I'm sorry." And they meant it.<BR/><BR/>I'm embarrassed, angered, disgusted and feeling a bit assaulted simply by living in Toledo.<BR/><BR/>Mr. Mayor - for the love of all that's Holy ... STOP this nonsense. Listen to your constituents. You remember them, don't you? The ones that voted for you? The ones that supported your "vision" and your dream for Toledo. Only to get stepped on and cast aside ...Carolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13844771636304151212noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21829866.post-90455018789754858282008-07-31T07:59:00.000-04:002008-07-31T07:59:00.000-04:00Maggie,The city is becoming a caricature of the ca...Maggie,<BR/><BR/>The city is becoming a caricature of the cartoons of my youth. The Mayor budgets like Wimpy from Popeye saying, "I will gladly pay you Tuesday, for a hamburger today". Meanwhile, in our business friendly environment, the city treats local businesses like the characters in "Spy vs. Spy", with the city blowing its competitors up every chance they get.<BR/><BR/>Funny, but it was much more amusing when I was younger and none of it was real.Timothy W Higginshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17118861693269565715noreply@blogger.com