tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21829866.post1837131039798465341..comments2023-08-20T07:06:14.115-04:00Comments on Thurber's Thoughts: What's an 'American-made' vehicle?Maggiehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12677808307727487766noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21829866.post-91750562731019054432010-01-02T15:39:14.199-05:002010-01-02T15:39:14.199-05:00wolfman - she ran last year but is not running thi...wolfman - she ran last year but is not running this year. I believe her status as a 'public figure' is questionable at best, considering that she lost and isn't running for anything now.<br /><br />As for the 17% unionized, that means 83% of the 'bills paid in Toledo' are paid by non-union people who are contribution more than 3/4 of the capital and purchases other businesses need in the city.<br /><br />I suppose, if I were a member of the UAW, I'd be mad about a fellow union member not supporting me. <br /><br />But I still think this is an attempt at making Pete Gerken look bad because he's slapped Konop (a Blade favorite) down a few times. This really isn't news, though it is fun blog about...Maggiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12677808307727487766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21829866.post-47957161044958160292010-01-02T15:21:09.951-05:002010-01-02T15:21:09.951-05:00Polly Taylor-Gerken, 48, a Democrat who ran for To...Polly Taylor-Gerken, 48, a Democrat who ran for Toledo City Council several times. This summer her husband Pete was politicking on her behalf at the local 12 UAW hall. So I think this would constitute a "public figure". You're figure of 17% unionized is a apples to orange comparison. Unionized workers pay the bills in Toledo employ many in small business with their disposable income and add needed capital to local coffers. Finally I have nothing personal against Polly or Pete just am very disappointed in their lack of judgement.wolfmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13893430361301478650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21829866.post-20391307752931644512010-01-02T09:56:01.249-05:002010-01-02T09:56:01.249-05:00wolfman - your perspective that Polly, as a former...wolfman - your perspective that Polly, as a former union member whose pension is through her union, should support union workers when making purchases makes sense.<br /><br />However, that doesn't explain why this is a news article. Outside of government employment, census numbers tell us that only about 17% of the private sector is unionized. So how does the purchase of a non-union-made vehicle by a person who is not a 'public figure' constitute 'news'?<br /><br />Also, please remember that non UAW workers of Northwest Ohio also support the TPS and pay the taxes that give Polly her pension. In fact, from those same census numbers, I know that the majority of those supporting TPS are NOT union workers.<br /><br />That's just a clarification and doesn't negate your belief that it is proper for those who benefit from unions to support their fellow union members through purchases....Maggiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12677808307727487766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21829866.post-34790971895918276572010-01-01T23:40:51.196-05:002010-01-01T23:40:51.196-05:00Polly wants a Honda!
Gerken’s wife Polly a retired...Polly wants a Honda!<br />Gerken’s wife Polly a retired Toledo Public Schools psychologist should realize that as a union retiree her pension is the result of unionism. The argument of foreign or domestic is mute. The real argument is union VS nonunion. If not for the union contracts of TPS she would not be enjoying the retirement package she has. Now Polly leases a non union Honda that supports its workers with a 401K retirement and a lower wage. The UAW workers of Northwest Ohio support the TPS with living wage jobs that pay the taxes that afford Polly her wage & benefit scale. To undercut fellow union brothers and sisters that support her union is a slap in the face!wolfmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13893430361301478650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21829866.post-47428875274535946072009-12-31T14:02:02.788-05:002009-12-31T14:02:02.788-05:00That's the kind of thinking that has put Toled...That's the kind of thinking that has put Toledo and the rest of this country into such a mess. To me, just buy a car from a local dealer no matter what brand it is. It keeps people employed here in town. Then again, the more people are unemployed the more control the party in power (Democrat) has over those people to get their votes in the next election.Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05297697171485233059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21829866.post-50479995063334051522009-12-30T15:39:24.154-05:002009-12-30T15:39:24.154-05:00I just love the mentality of both the Toledo Blade...I just love the mentality of both the Toledo Blade and the UAW. I would like to think that the Blade could print more important stories on the front page of the website.<br /><br />In a prior career, I had to perform an audit for a few of the unions in town. As a proud owner of a Honda and a Toyota, I was banished to the back of the parking lot. I am sure the unions had made a few comments to my employer, as after that year I was no longer auditing unions.<br /><br />As for the union ideas that all profits flow back to the foreign country, that is not always the case. Many business reinvest these profits into new facilities, production capabilities, etc. As well, they would employ local workers to build, upgrade, renovate, etc. <br /><br />Since these companies also pay taxes (real estate, federal, state and local income taxes) as well as withhold payroll taxes on employees, I see no harm in supporting them, as they, in my opinion, build a much better vehicle.<br /><br />Of course, with my attitude, I guess I will never get elected Mayor in Toledo...Danhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09362976936123426787noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21829866.post-11365389358068857172009-12-30T15:06:21.713-05:002009-12-30T15:06:21.713-05:00Maggie - I understand and agree with your stance. ...Maggie - I understand and agree with your stance. If they're going to demand "American-made" then they should certainly have a proper definition for the term. My personal opinion is that so long as the car is made here, providing jobs to tax paying Americans, then we shouldn't be complaining. If only every car manufacturer in the world would come here and set up plants to employ our people. Wouldn't that be nice?<br /><br />Also, I wanted to clarify that Honda is the 4th largest CAR manufacturer in the USA. This ommission was unintentional, but I thought I'd mention it for posterity's sake.Stephanie Loréehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03512485557711771802noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21829866.post-77363254916916161952009-12-30T13:38:15.722-05:002009-12-30T13:38:15.722-05:00Mesmerix - while I realize that Chrysler is no lon...Mesmerix - while I realize that Chrysler is no longer owned by a German company, it doesn't change the fact that while owned by a German company, UAW members were promoting those vehicles IN SPITE of the ownership issue...<br /><br />That's the contradiction - and my issue with them in terms of their position on which vehicles are 'acceptable.'<br /><br />The fact that Honda is the 4th largest manufacturer in the US is <i>quite</i> suprising!Maggiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12677808307727487766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21829866.post-60572739616773365762009-12-30T12:43:11.033-05:002009-12-30T12:43:11.033-05:00Once upon a time someone could tell what constitut...Once upon a time someone could tell what constituted a “American car”.<br /><br />A few years ago, while working for a Toledo Chrysler dealer in the Service Department, the wife of a prominent local politician came in looking for a new car. The vehicle was picked out, price/finance was worked out, but before delivery, the deal was canceled.<br /><br />When I next saw the lady, who I knew for years before, she was very apologetic for canceling the sale. She told me because the vehicle (Chrysler Concorde) was assembled in Canada, she could not buy it. She also told me that one of the Local Union Leaders had a list of “approved” vehicles to buy, and this model was not on it. She lamented to me that this Union Leader was not making the payment, so he should not be involved in the decision.Romanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07016139270835685661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21829866.post-5418556016509143412009-12-30T12:29:49.714-05:002009-12-30T12:29:49.714-05:00I think the issue is that Honda is a non-unionized...I think the issue is that Honda is a non-unionized company that is solely owned by the Japanese. <br /><br />The car, while completely American-made, does not support the UAW. Chrysler, on the other hand, is majority owned by the UAW. In fact, Germany doesn't have anything to do with them anymore after selling its stock. Italy (Fiat) owns around 20% of Chrysler, but the UAW still has over 60%. The US Government also owns around 10% and Canada has about 10% as well.<br /><br />Another note, Honda provides more jobs than Chrysler, as the 4th largest manufacturer in the USA.<br /><br />Some thoughts to ponder while considering what is and isn't American-made.Stephanie Loréehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03512485557711771802noreply@blogger.com