tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21829866.post4058944705714287025..comments2023-08-20T07:06:14.115-04:00Comments on Thurber's Thoughts: The "me-too" clauseMaggiehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12677808307727487766noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21829866.post-29787084634111219162013-03-01T18:09:39.713-05:002013-03-01T18:09:39.713-05:00The me too clause is a provision that is very dang...The me too clause is a provision that is very dangerous! I understand how and why this clause originated, but I am discouraged at how it has evolved. I believe the "me too" to be nothing more than a union buster in current day negotiations. Unions are supposed to be able to come to the table and negotiate a contract in good faith. The "Me Too" prevents this. By this, I mean, management should not be influenced by what another union has in their contract "a me too" when trying to reach an agreement with a different union. This stalls negotiations and ties managements hands. A "me too" should only be upheld within the union that has it, not outside on anther local. Sorry for ranting. The me too clause makes me angry!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06533498739616620385noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21829866.post-6797034029598058362007-01-25T23:32:00.000-05:002007-01-25T23:32:00.000-05:00Rusty is referring to the plaza hotel which was fi...Rusty is referring to the plaza hotel which was firebombed by a guy named Chambers from local 50 from what I remember.<br /><br />The strike of'79 made things pretty interesting around here since some people went into "fool" mode thinking the police were non-existent. I also remember that the fireworks got cancelled too and going to see a display put on by FM104 at the now long gone Jesse James drive in.-Sepphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11187463448901564093noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21829866.post-81085875047581145592007-01-25T16:16:00.000-05:002007-01-25T16:16:00.000-05:00tm - I don't blame unions for asking for such clau...tm - I don't blame unions for asking for such clauses or using comparisons in negotiations. But I do blame leaders and unions for expecting something for nothing - for thinking that the benefits gained through negotiation with one union should then be awarded to all unions - and non-bargaining employees - without any of the corresponding give-and-take.Maggiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12677808307727487766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21829866.post-70539011206415338022007-01-25T13:24:00.000-05:002007-01-25T13:24:00.000-05:00Thank you Maggie, i understand now. In my opinion ...Thank you Maggie, i understand now. In my opinion it's things like these that give all unions a bad name. And i will totally agree (even though i am a union girl) that sometimes they ask for unreasonable terms. Like UAW (Delphi?) (no offense to anyone out there) but i remember reading something online that when they proposed the pay cuts to stay in business the workers said they couldn't live on $25 an hour!tmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12616801764110738478noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21829866.post-89618458428446220502007-01-25T13:01:00.000-05:002007-01-25T13:01:00.000-05:00tm - in City of Toledo, I believe that AFSCME (bot...tm - in City of Toledo, I believe that AFSCME (both line unit and supervisory), Police (TPPA and TPCO), Fire, and the units in the Clerks office which are a separate AFCME local and UAW.<br /><br />In the County, there is the UAW, Sheriff-he has 2, AFSCME - may have forgotten one or two at EMA... but they don't all have the same wording.<br /><br />And my experience in the county was that when the contracts didn't have a me-too clause which REQUIRED similar benefits, the concept was used as part of the bargaining...I don't have a problem with that being part of negotiations, because admin can use the concept as a reason NOT to give out benefits (saying 'if I give this you, I'll have to give it to everyone and we couldn't afford that...)<br /><br />The UAW has a similar type of process with their representation at the big three where they negotiate with one company and then ask for the 'me-too' with the other 2. But I believe I read somewhere (Toledo Talk perhaps?) where our local JEEP UAW unit wasn't covered under the national contract.Maggiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12677808307727487766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21829866.post-22780661990271365022007-01-25T12:44:00.000-05:002007-01-25T12:44:00.000-05:00Maggie, what unions do this?Maggie, what unions do this?tmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12616801764110738478noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21829866.post-63757939901627521822007-01-25T07:37:00.000-05:002007-01-25T07:37:00.000-05:00-sepp, hopefully you'll get the ability to take a ...-sepp, hopefully you'll get the ability to take a secret vote and not just have your employer agree to a card check...Maggiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12677808307727487766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21829866.post-31653534821846645342007-01-25T06:27:00.000-05:002007-01-25T06:27:00.000-05:00I was never too big on unions. My dept at work is ...I was never too big on unions. My dept at work is making the consideration now.-Sepphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11187463448901564093noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21829866.post-25246876274674001552007-01-24T21:59:00.000-05:002007-01-24T21:59:00.000-05:00thanks, Lisa...thanks, Lisa...Maggiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12677808307727487766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21829866.post-30595044908673819172007-01-24T21:44:00.000-05:002007-01-24T21:44:00.000-05:00I'm glad you are following this Maggie, I look for...I'm glad you are following this Maggie, I look forward to what you have as an update.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00606533906583651054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21829866.post-20685922599075556002007-01-24T20:57:00.000-05:002007-01-24T20:57:00.000-05:00very true, hooda.very true, hooda.Maggiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12677808307727487766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21829866.post-57372610897882100282007-01-24T20:45:00.000-05:002007-01-24T20:45:00.000-05:00That "Me-too" clause can be deadly, unless all of ...That "Me-too" clause can be deadly, unless all of the other conditions that accompanied the change should also follow to any other union invoking the "me-too" clause; fair is fair. . .Hooda Thunkit (Dave Zawodny)https://www.blogger.com/profile/13176392380086227377noreply@blogger.com