tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21829866.post7438418987520347354..comments2023-08-20T07:06:14.115-04:00Comments on Thurber's Thoughts: Toledo schools force students to do levy campaign work in classMaggiehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12677808307727487766noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21829866.post-67177634021486275212008-10-22T21:26:00.000-04:002008-10-22T21:26:00.000-04:00This is the epitome of bureaucratic arrogance.TPS ...This is the epitome of bureaucratic arrogance.<BR/><BR/>TPS is abusing its 'power' to 'encourage' the kids to participate in this, yet again, cause for the children.<BR/><BR/>A solid education is paramount to success at any level, but to use the students to carry the message and subliminally 'encourage' the parents to support the levies ...<BR/><BR/>Well, it's arrogant.<BR/><BR/>BUT - it IS for the kids, ya know. *sarcasm off*Carolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13844771636304151212noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21829866.post-7008714867252308132008-10-21T23:43:00.000-04:002008-10-21T23:43:00.000-04:00I also question the cost of bussing the kids for c...I also question the cost of bussing the kids for campaigning door-to-door in support of the levies on a Saturday. I know this has happened in the past. Not sure about this campaign.KraZyKaThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12415545255828297912noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21829866.post-65454167801037789202008-10-21T19:01:00.000-04:002008-10-21T19:01:00.000-04:00It doesn't surprise me, recently my youngest daugh...It doesn't surprise me, recently my youngest daughter who is in an honors social science class was instructed to write a piece on which presidential candidate she would support. The way the project was set up it was clear it was meant to have it be on one of the two main parties.<BR/><BR/>She rebelled against this (can't imagine where she gets that from) and found a way to write about the Green Party as her way of demonstrating a protest vote. What was disturbing was that none of her classmates knew that there were even more than Obama and McCain running for president and the reality was this was an attempt to gage how parents were voting since very few 8th graders are politically involved at the level mine is and it was clear that few parents or our educational system is interested in educating our children about the real process and instead is indoctrinating them into not only the two party system but a blind obedience to levies. <BR/><BR/>Robin is correct as I remember Springfield doing this at one point in time and some of us made it clear we did not appreciate it, that we felt our children were being used. I'm not sure if they still do this or not.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00606533906583651054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21829866.post-75115364093347663582008-10-21T18:18:00.000-04:002008-10-21T18:18:00.000-04:00Maggie,This must be common practice. The same thi...Maggie,<BR/><BR/>This must be common practice. The same thing was done in Oregon Public Schools last year at Clay High School. I and many other parents complained and were assured that our children could write anti-levy letters if they wanted to. However, that is not how the assignment read. <BR/><BR/>This is evidence of the teachers' union trying to establish their primacy over our children.Brian Schwartzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08410190999338150569noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21829866.post-76466714915964693352008-10-21T18:00:00.000-04:002008-10-21T18:00:00.000-04:00I have sat all football season and listened to the...I have sat all football season and listened to the announcer remind us as parents and supporters of the schools and athletic teams that we should remember to go vote, and to vote yes on our "permanent capital improvements" levy. Now, at a school function I am not surprised nor offended at the announcement. <BR/><BR/>But if my kids came home with a school "assignment" supporting any tax, I would be furious. My kids go to a great public school. But, I will vote no on the levy because I know that the success of the district is based on dedication of students, teachers and parents; the expectation of high standards by students, and involvement by parents in the school - NOT - the dollars spent per kid. <BR/><BR/>This is just another example of why we must be diligent in exploring what our kids are studying and fighting - when necessary - the indoctrination they receive at even the best public and private schools, whether it be on taxes, global climate change, socialism, etc.<BR/><BR/>TAHLCynical Counselhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03013429047654810331noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21829866.post-4351083325626736672008-10-21T16:41:00.000-04:002008-10-21T16:41:00.000-04:00This is the kind of thing that keps us going in th...This is the kind of thing that keps us going in the pubic skools.<BR/><BR/>sinserly<BR/><BR/>Illiteracygordon gekkohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01225518630957083300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21829866.post-55448421528384320592008-10-21T16:16:00.000-04:002008-10-21T16:16:00.000-04:00If TPS kids are busy writing these letters...one h...If TPS kids are busy writing these letters...one has to wonder:<BR/>Who's walking Scout?Antipelagianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08927734975794920598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21829866.post-42850912596750736952008-10-21T16:14:00.000-04:002008-10-21T16:14:00.000-04:00Maggie,Further:Kids/students should NEVER be invol...Maggie,<BR/><BR/>Further:<BR/><BR/>Kids/students should NEVER be involved in even transporting propaganda.<BR/><BR/>If somebody wants this sort of stuff sent to your house, they should get it done without administration, employee, or student involvement.<BR/><BR/>And, they should get their own print shop and postage meters too.<BR/><BR/>Now if admins and employees want to volunteer off premises and on their own time, now that's a different matter....Hooda Thunkit (Dave Zawodny)https://www.blogger.com/profile/13176392380086227377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21829866.post-82469513108415736842008-10-21T16:06:00.000-04:002008-10-21T16:06:00.000-04:00Maggie,The PostcardsThe TPS Print ShopThe Teacher'...Maggie,<BR/><BR/>The Postcards<BR/><BR/>The TPS Print Shop<BR/><BR/>The Teacher's Time<BR/><BR/>The Student's (IMHO) wasted time<BR/><BR/>Forced time<BR/><BR/><BR/>I could go on, but this issue deserves full investigation and the fullest prosecution possible, for all parties behind this blatant misuse of educational resources for purely political purposes.<BR/><BR/>This is criminal on so many levels and should be treated accordingly.<BR/><BR/>And, heads, at the highest levels, should roll, over this...<BR/><BR/>Vote <B>NO</B> on any/all school levies, until the Toledo Bd of Ed and TPS begin teaching our children the basics, not politics, and partisan politics at that.<BR/><BR/>Partisan meaning Democrat/Union Politics.Hooda Thunkit (Dave Zawodny)https://www.blogger.com/profile/13176392380086227377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21829866.post-43070342203162702712008-10-21T15:59:00.000-04:002008-10-21T15:59:00.000-04:00Stacey - I've heard of literature being sent home ...Stacey - I've heard of literature being sent home with kids...especially after the schools holds a rally to kick off the campaign ... but that's a relatively recent ocurrence.Maggiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12677808307727487766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21829866.post-28338423362052184742008-10-21T15:55:00.000-04:002008-10-21T15:55:00.000-04:00My kids never did a postcard, but they brought hom...My kids never did a postcard, but they brought home literature on the last levy and they had stickers, too.Staceyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06622087923561884682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21829866.post-31768270730079766012008-10-21T14:40:00.000-04:002008-10-21T14:40:00.000-04:00unreal.unreal.Benhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00858781035308252728noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21829866.post-91888364787091937532008-10-21T13:07:00.000-04:002008-10-21T13:07:00.000-04:00Robin - we never did that sort of thing when I was...Robin - we never did that sort of thing when I was in school...it wasn't allowed.Maggiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12677808307727487766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21829866.post-45728572345734064312008-10-21T12:56:00.000-04:002008-10-21T12:56:00.000-04:00Schools have always done that. I remember filling...Schools have always done that. I remember filling out post cards like that, when I went to school (in the suburbs) back in the dark ages.Robinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05966847290906915571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21829866.post-66182058661137809472008-10-21T12:25:00.000-04:002008-10-21T12:25:00.000-04:00OMG! Does this mean any group that is opposed to ...OMG! Does this mean any group that is opposed to the levy (or any levy for that matter) can use the school's print shop and just have them send a bill? I like that idea. <BR/><BR/>I'm sure the calculation of what it cost included paper, ink and equipment time, as well employee cost (including benefits) and overhead (such as electricity, insurance, building space, etc). If it wasn't full cost accounting, it was subsidized by taxpayer dollars.DeeDee Liedelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04567259716599270756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21829866.post-53086384910596263402008-10-21T12:03:00.000-04:002008-10-21T12:03:00.000-04:00I do believe that is actionable by the local DA (o...I do believe that is actionable by the local DA (or at least it is actionable in Wisconsin). Of course, since it's Toledo, I doubt the DA will take any action.steveegghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12374669417627943743noreply@blogger.com